Notes - Ramblings & genealogy to DeVere

         Mid-morning. At Kroger’s on Tylersville as Carol found a yogurt coupon she wants to use. Your Air is setting in Sharonville, Ohio UPS Freight so you think it will arrive Monday or Tuesday at the latest. Last night you wondered if you had notes on that mystical experience. Why not look, you have all those notebooks in a box in the basement. If you see something useful along the way, I will note it for a resurrection into your modern computerized notes. – Amorella.

          It is strange to think about what is in that basement box. My goodness, I haven’t searched those notebooks for an age. I made copies of all and sent them to my old classmate and friend, Fritz Milligan. as I wrote them. He is my witness that I did write them (and he also observed my mental state along the way). I did not want to step off the bounds of what society considers ‘normal reality’. I suppose Fritz still has them.

I still can’t get over the ‘fact’ that you are with whom I danced. That was some experience indeed, even for a subjective experience. Then, Coleridge too had a mystical experience from opium and it appeared real enough that he wrote “Kubla Kahn” from it. I was not on drugs however. My feeling is that if it were not truly a real mystical experience it was induced by  a one time only epileptic seizure of some sort. It doesn’t bother me, either way I can continue to live with it.

When really dead perhaps I will discover more of the truth, though I think my first question, if I get to ask one, will still be: “Who wrote Shakespeare’s plays and sonnets?” I think it was Edward DeVere, the seventieth earl of Oxford. I partly think it would be cool because tracing my ancestry I found the Hubble side of the family had a connection with the Oxford’s. May not be true, of course, but it personalizes the question a bit. My conclusion of Shakespeare's identity is based on Looney’s work, Shakespeare Identified not possible ancestry.

While you are waiting in the cold why not check that connection since it has popped up? Don’t say it doesn’t relate to the books because you know it does. Much of your possible ancestry is seen in the early people that were used in the “Grandma’s Stories”. That always made those stories more fun to write and you could readily accept it because they are fiction anyway.

Home, after a hot chocolate and café ole and oatmeal cookie treat at Kidd’s Coffee, uptown Mason. . . . a bit after noon. You have yet to go to the basement for a search, and seem to have lost interest.

I took a short nap and then read the new Time magazine as it arrived today. I have the new Discover magazine to read also, it came yesterday. The genealogy used to really peak my interests because my Great Aunt Floy had done a lot of work on it and she give it to me to continue the work. I did complete it though it wasn’t until about a year ago. Genealogy though is not nearly as certain as DNA, but even then if you have a long British Isles - European history we are probably more closely related than you might generally think, particularly if you take the old royal lines back through their fanciful connections to Biblical folk as the Irish, French, Spanish, Italian and English and Scottish have done. In the Crusades you had to show you had legitimate title to be King of Jerusalem if I remember right. So, as humans continue to do, you conjure things up, particularly the old myths, the old stories of royal and not so royal connections. This material was quite helpful for the Grandma Stories because I love the historical thought even if it is mythical. The concepts show our humanity and how we hope we were raised up via our ancestry whether they realized it or not. We have a royal wedding coming up and fancifully we record the lineages still. Why not? What does it hurt? It helps provide a sense of identity to a culture and to the human species as a whole.

Later, dude. Post. – Amorella.

I did travel to the basement and pulled out the box of notebooks. The first one, in April, 1988 focuses on the first draft of the unpublished novel, Spice. The commentary shows I was under a great deal of stress as to what I should be doing in my life. What I discovered was that the mystical experience happened earlier than this and perhaps even in the Fall or Spring of 1987. I found no direct references to it. Writing Spice sure looks like therapy to me. Perhaps writing still is. I did not realize you (Amorella under the name Romella at the time) were directing the writing even at that time and your notes are kindly written to help me get on in the world. Part of the stress was the fear of losing my job at Mason High because I did not yet have tenure and was thus feeling somewhat professionally insecure.

That being resolved what about the ancestry? . . . This took you a while to edit but I like it as it is. Most of this can be googled. How much is fiction? Who knows, but this is what orndorff found and picked material from for his stories.

** First Generation

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1 Richard Henry Orndorff1, Born on 6 Aug 1942 in Columbus, Ohio. Occupation: Teacher of British Literature, Writer.

On 25 Nov 1967 when Richard Henry was 25, he married Carol Jean Hammond1, F, in Arlington, Virginia.

3 Carol Jean Hammond, F. Born on 23 Jan 1947 in Columbus, Ohio. Occupation: Teacher of Fourth Grade.

** Second Generation

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2 Richard Bookman Orndorff1, 8G Grandson, M. Born on 8 Dec 1918 in Westerville, Ohio. Richard Bookman died in Westerville, Ohio, on 12 Jan 2001; he was 82. Buried in Otterbein Cemetery. Occupation: Research Metallurgist.

Richard Bookman married Mary Laverna Schick1, F.

3 Mary Laverna Schick1, F. Born on 29 Jul 1918 in Westerville, Ohio. Mary Laverna died in Westerville, Ohio, on 26 Nov 2002; she was 84. Occupation: Upper Elementary Teacher in Westerville and Middleburg Heights, Ohio.

** Third Generation

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4 Clell Tullar Orndorff1, 7G Grandson, M. Born on 31 Aug 1895 in Delaware County, Ohio. Clell Tullar died in Westerville, Ohio, on 31 Dec 1974; he was 79. Buried in Otterbein Cemetery. Occupation: Milkman - Borden’s Hamilton Milk Co.

On 18 Dec 1917 when Clell Tullar was 22, he married Wilhelmina Bookman1, F, in Delaware, Ohio.

5 Wilhelmina Bookman1, F. Born on 1 Nov 1898 in Delaware County, Ohio. Wilhelmina died in Westerville, Ohio, on 24 Nov 1968; she was 70. Buried in Otterbein Cemetery. Occupation: Head Chef at The Grandview Inn.

6 Henri H. Schick2, M. Born on 5 Oct 1885 in Westerville, Ohio. Henri H. died in Columbus, Ohio, on 11 Sep 1953; he was 67.

Henri H. married Elizabeth Mae Freeman, F.

7 Elizabeth Mae Freeman, F. Born on 13 Apr 1889 in Delaware County, Ohio. Elizabeth Mae died in Columbus, Ohio, on 13 Jan 1981; she was 91.

** Fourth Generation

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8 Howard Sherman Orndorff1, 6G Grandson, M. Born on 18 Feb 1864 in Delaware County, Ohio. Howard Sherman died in Center Village, Ohio, on 7 Oct 1949; he was 85. Occupation: Farmer.

Howard Sherman married Jessie Tullar1, F.

9 Jessie Tullar1, F. Born on 23 Sep 1866 in Johnstown, Ohio. Jessie died in Westerville, Ohio, on 2 Mar 1946; she was 79.

** Fifth Generation

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32 Robert Francis Orndorff, M. Born on 19 Apr 1832 in Virginia. Robert Francis died in Delaware County, Ohio, in 1922; he was 89. Buried in Hunt Cemetery, Delaware Co. Occupation: Cabinet Maker.

On 2 Nov 1858 when Robert Francis was 26, he married Selina Philena Hubbell4, 5G Granddaughter, F, in Delaware County, Ohio.

33 Selina Philena Hubbell4, 5G Granddaughter, F. Born on 7 Dec 1839 in Morrow County, Ohio.4 Selina Philena died in Delaware County, Ohio, on 13 May 1913; she was 73.

Roots from Lords and Ladies, Kings, Queens and Emperors. Both she and Robert are in the Hubbell Family History on page 328.4 Their children were: Idolia B, Harvey S., Howard S. (great-grandfather), Orville W., and Mary E. (Mamie). Mamie married Franklin Johnson.3

** Sixth Generation

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64 Joseph Orndorff1,6, M. Born in 1799 in Virginia.7 Joseph died in Ohio in 1877; he was 78. Occupation: Horse Trader.

On 20 Sep 1820 when Joseph was 21, he married Elizabeth Brill1,6, F.

65 Elizabeth Brill1,6, F. Born abt 1794 in Virginia. Elizabeth died in Ohio abt 1864; she was 70.

Marries her first cousin. Six children.

66 Harvey Sherman Hubbell5,4, GGGG Grandson, M. Born on 22 Sep 1817 in Bloomfield Township, Morrow Co., Ohio. Harvey Sherman died in Bloomfield Twnshp. Morrow Co., Ohio, abt 1877; he was 59.

First white child born in the township.4(p. 319) He was in the 2nd Ohio Heavy Artillery, Co. K, Civil War.4(p. 328) Harvey also had a sister Elizabeth Catharine (p79 Hubbell bk) HARVEY S. HUBBELL, farmer; P.O. Kilbourne; born in Knox Co. in September, 1817; eldest of a family of three children, whose parents, Preston and Betsey (McEwen) Hubbell, were natives of Connecticut, and emigrated to this State in 1817, locating in Bloomfield Township, Knox Co., there being but five families in the township at the time.

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DROP  FROM SIXTH GENERATION TO TWENTIETH

20th Generation  

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1081344 Sir John Huband17,4, M. Born abt 1285 in Ipsley, Warwickshire. John died in Ipsley, Warwickshire, abt 1350; he was 65. Occupation: Lord Ipsley.

Sir John Hubald of Ipsley married Margaret, the daughter of Sir William Lucie of Charlecoate in Warwickshire. They appear to have had five sons: John, who served in the wars in Brittany; William, who served in those in Gascoigne; and also Thomas, Robert and Geoffrey. In 1342, John Hubald was employed with others in the service of King Edward III in Wales for which he had special letters of protection, and three years later, he became a member of the commission raised to inquire what “persons were seized of lands in Warwickshire, from the yearly value of £ 5 to £ 1000 and to certify the same.” The following year, he received a military summons to attend the King in the French wars and was given the responsibility for providing arms, horses, and archers from Warwickshire. At this time, the stone church was nearing completion and it was dedicated to St. Peter in 1348. The oldest of the church bells was cast circa 1340.It is 2 feet 7 - 3/4 inches in diameter and weighs 6 hundredweights. It is known as the Royal Bell since it has a coin of the reign of King Edward III cast into it. Above note from: Church of Ipsley web file via Google.

In 1321 when John was 36, he married Margaret de Lucy 4, F.

1081345 Margaret de Lucy4, F. Born abt 1295 in Warwickshire, England. Margaret died in Ipsley, Warwickshire, abt 1363; she was 68. Occupation: Lady Ipsley.

** 21st Generation

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2162688 Sir John Huband17,4, M. Born abt 1259 in Ipsley, Warwickshire. John died in Ipsley, Warwickshire, in 1319; he was 60. Occupation: Lord Ipsley.

Sir John Hubald of Ipsley who married Margaret, the daughter of Sir William Lucie of Charlecoate in Warwickshire. They appear to have had five sons: John, who served in the wars in Brittany; William, who served in those in Gascoigne; and also Thomas, Robert and Geoffrey.

In 1342, John Hubald was employed with others in the service of King Edward III in Wales for which he had special letters of protection, and three years later, he became a member of the commission raised to inquire what “persons were seized of lands in Warwickshire, from the yearly value of £ 5 to £ 1000 and to certify the same.” The following year, he received a military summons to attend the King in the French wars and was given the responsibility for providing arms, horses, and archers from Warwickshire. At this time, the stone church was nearing completion and it was dedicated to St. Peter in 1348. The oldest of the church bells was cast circa 1340.It is 2 feet 7 - 3/4 inches in diameter and weighs 6 hundredweights. It is known as the Royal Bell since it has a coin of the reign of King Edward III cast into it.

from: Church of Ipsley.

John married Margaret Pauneeford4, F.

2162689 Margaret Pauneeford4, F. Born abt 1262 in Gloucestershire, England. Margaret died in Ipsley, Warwickshire, abt 1320; she was 58. Occupation: Lady Ipsley.

2162690 Sir William de Lucy4, M. Born abt 1275 in Warwickshire, England. William died in Warwickshire, England, abt 1335; he was 60.

Sir Wm was from Charlecote, County Warwick. Originally the de Lucys came from Normandy area of France around 1066. The de Lucy (of Luce) family were of Norman French origin and took their surname from Luce, Maine in France, but their ancestors could well have been of Viking origin  (The Vikings invaded Normandy before they invaded England). They became one of the most powerful families in the north of England in 13th and 14th centuries.

William the Conquerer invaded England from Normandy in France in 1066 and in 1067 appointed Gospatric as Earl of Northumberland. He led the northern nobles in a revolt against King William and in 1069, the King laid waste to the northeast of England  Gospatric was ousted as Earl of Northumberland in 1072 and was given lands in Dunbar in Scotland by the King of Scotland. He was also Lord of Allerdale in Cumberland in England. It was the start of over 500 years of fighting between the Scots and the English. 

King Henry of England died in 1135 and in 1138, William Fitz Duncan, (William, son of Duncan, grandson of Duncan II, King of Scotland, and Great Great Grandson of Gospatric, Earl of Northumberland) fighting on behalf of his uncle David, King of Scotland, was at the head of an expedition which marched through his own inheritance in Cumberland, and that of his wife in Cumberland to Craven in Yorkshire, then in possession of the English; “They ravaged Craven with sword and fire, sparing no rank, no age, no condition, and neither sex. They first slew children and kindred in the sight of their relations, lords in the sight of their serfs and the opposite, and husbands in the sight of their wives; then oh, most shameful! They led away noble matrons, chaste virgins, mixed alike with other women, and the booty, driving before them naked, in troops, tied and coupled with ropes and thongs, tormenting them with their lances and pikes. This had been done previously, but never to such an outrageous extent” Source: Richard of Hexham, a chronicler of that age. As a result, King Stephen of England ceded Cumberland, Westmoreland and part of Northumberland to Scotland.

In 1155, Alice de Lucy who was born in France married Odonel de Umphraville, of the Barony of Prudhoe in Northumberland. The Umphravilles were knights who had invaded with William the Conquerer and controlled the strategically important Baronies of Redesdale and Prudhoe in England, just below the Scottish border. In 1174 Reginald (Reynold) de Lucy (b.1137-1189), son of Sir William de Lucy (1089-1179), a kinsman of Richard de Lucy, Chief Justiciar of England, married Amabil (Annabelle, b 1150), daughter of William fitz Duncan (William, son of Duncan). She was descended from Gospatric I, the Earl of Northumberland (1067-1072). Her grandfather was Duncan II, King of Scots, and her father was William Fitz Duncan, Lord of the Barony of Allerdale.  She was from the “House of Gospatric” which was founded by Crinan the Abbot of Dunkeld, and Bethune the heiress of Scotland (c.1000 A.D.).who were also the ancestors of the Washington family of whom, George Washington, First President of the United States of America is the most famous descendent.

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DROP FROM TWENTY-FIRST GENERATION TO THE TWENTY-SIXTH

** 26th Generation

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69206016 Hugo Hubold13,1,17,4, M. Born abt 1040 in Ipsley, Warwickshire. Hugo died in Ipsley, Warwickshire, abt 1105; he was 65. Occupation: Lord of Ipsley Mannour, Warwickshire, England.

The first recorded Hubold as Lord of the Mannour at Ipsley. Recorded in K. William’s Domesday book of 1068. A facsimile of the Hubold references in the Domesday book is in the Walter Hubbell book. Dugdale mentions him as ancestors of the Hubands of Warwickshire and Derbyshire.

His records of holding land at Ipsley, Warwickshire, England before the Norman conquest. This same land was in the possession of his descendents at Ipsley in the direct male line, passing to the eldest son of each succeeding generation until November 10th, 1730, when the direct male line became extinct. This Hugo Hubbald was the founder of the Hubball Family in England and the Hubbell Family in America. p. 185, History of the Hubbell Family by Walter Hubbell, The Scientific Press, Robert Drummond and Company, Brooklin, N.Y. 1915.11

The surname Hubbald is often found in the ancient records as Hubaldus, Hubaud, Huband, and Hubant in Norman French; and even as Ubald in Saxon during the time of Edward the Confessor (1004-1066). Hugo held land in Bedfordshire of Osbern, son of Richard in 1086. They also had land at Twyford, Derbyshire and at Stoke, in Surrey Co. A monk named Hubald (or Hucbald) was a poet and wrote music in a monastery in the 10th century. 4

“Facsimile of a record of his land in Bedfordshire as well as his full name, ‘Hugo Hubald: Eeslei.’ Domesday Book or The Great Survey of England of William the Conqueror, A.D. MLXXXVI.” Photozincographed, by Command of Her Majesty Queen Victory, at the Ordinance Survey Office, South Hampton - Col. Sir H. James, Director. Copy is from the British Museum. The Tower. London, made for this work in 1914. p. 4.4

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THE HUBAND’S OF IPSLEY AND THEIR ASSOCIATION WITH ST. PETER’S CHURCH

The remarkable family of Huband (also known as Hubold, Hubald, Hubaud, and Hubaude)is undoubtedly of ancient and worthy extraction, having held Ipsely as Lords of the Manor through seven centuries.

The Domesday Book, compiled in 1068 for King William after his invasion shows the following entry for Ipsley:

Hugh also holds 3 hides in Ipsley

Land for 7 ploughs. In Lordship 1; 2 slaves;

7 villagers with a priest and 13 smallholders with 4 ploughs.

A mill at 16 d; woodland 1 league long and 1/2 league wide.

The value was 30s; now 40s.

Earl Algar held it.

The fact that a priest was mentioned implies that a place of worship of some sort existed although it seems to have been of too small a value to have been recorded.

This Hugh, who also appears to have held other lands according to Domesday records,seems to have been the ancestor of the later Hubands of Warwickshire. From this Hugh descended William Hubold (sometimes written Hubaut) who was living in the reign of King Stephen in 1140 and Hugh Hubold, his son, who held the Manor of Ipsley in 1189.

In 1236, one Sir Henry Hubald is recorded as being taxed for “one knight’s fee” inI plsey, and this same gentleman was one of those involved in “The Barons’ War” help in gin the seige of Kenilworth Castle against the King in 1245. As a result of this action,his manor of Ipsley and his other lands were seized. However, this treason was purged by a decree known as the “Dictum de Kenilworth” and in 1261 he was made a Commissioner for GAOL Delivery at Warwick, a position in which he was still to be found in 1269,1270 and 1271. He also established the right to hold a Court Leet at Ipsley.

His son and heir became Sir John Hubald of Ipsley who married Margaret, the daughter of Sir William Lucie of Charlecoate in Warwickshire. They appear to have had five sons: John, who served in the wars in Brittany; William, who served in those in Gascoigne;and also Thomas, Robert and Geoffrey.

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He.re lyeth the Body of Ralph Hubaude of Ipsley in the county of Warwick Esquire deceasedthe 17th of January in the yeare of our Lord God 1625. Finis.

No mention is made of Anne in Dugdale’s description.

Ralph and Anne had three sons, John, Tevery and Ralph who was a gentleman commoner of Queen’s College, Oxford. On his death on the 23rd of July 1670, he was buriedat St. Peter’s Church in that city. Ralph was succeeded then, by his eldest son, John Huband who was created a Baronet by King Charles II upon his restoration in1660, an event that also commemorated in the church by the addition of two new bells which were cast in 1664. The first being 3 feet 3 inches in diameter and weighing10 - 1/2 hundredweights, and the second being 2 feet 7 - 3/4 inches in diameter andweighing 7 - 3/4 hundredweights.

This John Huband married Jane, the daughter of Lord Charles pawlett of Dowles, Hampshire.He later became one of the first directors of the Bank of England. At the time of his death around 1716, he had three children: Jane, married to Edward Pollen Esquire,Martha, and a son and heir also called John.

It was this John Huband who married Rhoda, the eldest daughter of Sir Thomas Broughton,Baronet, of Broughton in Staffordshire. He died in 1727 leaving a son, John, hisheir, and three daughters, Rhoda, who was married to Sir John Delves (Baronet) of Doddington, Cheshire and died on January 27th 1772; Mary, who was married to Thomas Wright Esquire of Warwick and died on 8th of October 1768; and Jane, who was married to Sir Robert Henley, created Baron of Henley and Earl of Northington, Lord Chancellorof England. (This Lady Rhoda Delves is buried with five others, one a child, in a vault belonging to the Huband family near to the Lord’s Table. This was discovered when the vault was accidently broken open by workmen carrying out repair work in1867. Another coffin bears the inscription “Sir John Huband Baronet, died January16th 1716, aged 43 years.” an account of this appears in the “Redditch Indicator” of February 1867.)

The heir to the Estate, Sir John Huband, 3rd Baron of Ipsley, unfortunately died whilst still a minor in his eighteenth year. After this, the property passed to the sisters who subsequently disposed of the Manor House and lands to Charles Savage Esquire of Tachbrook and from whose family it later passed by marriage to Walter Savage Landor.

The family representation then devoted on the descendant Nicholas’ fourth son, Anthony and thus ended the connection of the direct line of Hubands with Ipsley.

The living of the church which had been in the gift of the Huband family was brought from them by the then curate John Dolben in whose family it remained until the end of the last century.

Unfortunately, a great part of the Manor House of Ipsley Court is said to have been destroyed by fire in or around 1742.

The decline of the Manor continued until by 1785 the church was in such a bad state of repair that the then Rector, the Reverend Philip Wren (great grandson of Sir Christopher Wren who played a great part in the rebuilding of London after the Great Fire of1666) decided that the two side aisles would have to be demolished. It was at this time that two windows bearing the Huband coat of arms were lost. Fortunately, they were recorded by Dugdale in 1730 and described thus:

In the East window of the North aisle:

HUBAUD - Sable, three leopards, head jessant flowers de lis.

In the North window of the chancel:

HUBAUD - Sable, a chevron betwixt three leopards, heads jessant, flowers de lis,argent.

In or around 1827, the burnt out ruin of Ipsley court was taken down leaving justthe two wings standing. These, now refurbished, are used by the Law Society.19 Source 49 is from >freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~shuband/history.html<

Hugo married Lady Hugo, F.

69206017 Lady Hugo, F. Born abt 1085 in Warwickshire, England. Hugo died in Ipsley, Warwickshire, abt 1140; she was 55.

69206080 Reynold de Lucy, M. Born in 1137 in Egremont, Yorkshire, England. Reynold died in Cockermouth Castle, England, on 11 Jan 1198; he was 61.

In 1174 Reginald (Reynold) de Lucy (b.1137-1189), son of Sir William de Lucy (1089-1179), a kinsman of Richard de Lucy, Chief Justiciar of England, married Amabil (Annabelle, b 1150), daughter of William fitz Duncan (William, son of Duncan). She was descended from Gospatric I, the Earl of Northumberland (1067-1072). Her grandfather was Duncan II, King of Scots, and her father was William Fitz Duncan, Lord of the Barony of Allerdale.  She was from the “House of Gospatric” which was founded by Crinan the Abbot of Dunkeld, and Bethune the heiress of Scotland (c.1000 A.D.).who were also the ancestors of the Washington family of whom, George Washington, First President of the United States of America is the most famous descendent.

In 1174 when Reynold was 37, he married Anabel Fitz Duncan, F, in Cockermouth Castle, England.

69206081 Anabel Fitz Duncan, F. Born in 1150 in Cockermouth Castle, Cumberland,  England. Anabel died in Cockermouth Castle, England, abt 1210; she was 60.

69206082 Hugh de Morville, M. Born abt 1155 in England. Hugh died in England abt 1215; he was 60.

To Charlemagne. Constable of Scotland. Hugh's line can be traced back to King Charlemagne.

Hugh married Beatrice de Beauchamp, F.

69206083 Beatrice de Beauchamp, F. Born abt 1155 in England. Beatrice de died in England abt 1220; she was 65.

Beatrice de Beauchamp was born about 1107 in Bedfordshire, England. Date is estimated. She has Ancestral File number 924V-J6. 


Parents: Payne (Peganus) De Beauchamp and Roheise (Roesia) DE VERE. She was married to Hugh de Morville before 1143. Children were: Richard de Morville.


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[Roheise De Vere of Rycott, daughter of Aubrey II De Vere and Alice (de Clare), was born circa 1109, was christened of Waldon, Essex, and died circa 1166 in England.]

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         So, there it is, Orndorff to Hubbell to De Lucy to Beauchamp to De Vere.

         Good. All for today. Post. – Amorella.