15 November 2010

Notes - References for future dialogue - Plato/Atlantis

             Mid-morning. Gilkey Windows people are working on the sliding door in the kitchen. You and Carol were up earlier than normal to have breakfast and be ready. The cat is up in the bedroom though the heat is off as there is a six foot square hole in the outer wall. You did find some material this morning. Here’s a quote from Wikipedia:
Plato's dialogues Timaeus and Critias, written in 360 BC, contain the earliest references to Atlantis. For unknown reasons, Plato never completed Critias. Plato introduced Atlantis in Timaeus: . . . .
According to Critias, 9,000 years before his lifetime a war took place between those outside the Pillars of Hercules at the Strait of Gibraltar and those who dwelt within them. The Atlanteans had conquered the parts of Libya within the Pillars of Hercules as far as Egypt and the European continent as far as Tyrrhenia, and subjected its people to slavery. The Athenians led an alliance of resistors against the Atlantean empire, and as the alliance disintegrated, prevailed alone against the empire, liberating the occupied lands.
But at a later time there occurred portentous earthquakes and floods, and one grievous day and night befell them, when the whole body of your warriors was swallowed up by the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner was swallowed up by the sea and vanished; wherefore also the ocean at that spot has now become impassable and unsearchable, being blocked up by the shoal mud which the island created as it settled down.  - Wikipedia

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         This, no doubt, is the most famous of ancient civilizations. I had forgotten it supposedly existed some eleven thousand years ago. The more I checked the more theories come from this, some include extraterrestrials. It is my assumption that almost all the ancient gods and goddesses, the ones in the oldest stories, were real human leaders and heroes, humans who were as gods or goddesses to their people. The Egyptian pharaohs come to mind. In any case, the story above speaks of warriors taking slaves. This is no different a civilization than the others.

         The point here, orndorff, for the book’s dialogue, is that a great civilization may have existed eleven thousand years ago. You need to have references, that’s all. Post. – Amorella.


         You have found another ancient site of like time period:

Göbekli Tepe (Turkish for "Potbelly hill") is a hilltop sanctuary erected on the highest point of an elongated mountain ridge some 15 km northeast of the town of Sanliurfa . . . in southeastern Turkey. The site, currently undergoing excavation by German and Turkish archaeologists, was erected by hunter-gatherers in the 10th millennium BC (ca. 11,500 years ago) . . . .
Göbekli Tepe is the oldest human-made place of worship yet discovered. Until excavations began, a complex on this scale was not thought possible for a community so ancient. The massive sequence of stratification layers suggests several millennia of activity, perhaps reaching back to the Mesolithic . . . .

The oldest occupation layer . . . contains monolithic pillars linked by coarsely built walls to form circular or oval structures. So far, four such buildings, with diameters between 10 and 30m have been uncovered. . . .
Stratum II, dated to . . . (7500–6000 BC), has revealed several adjacent rectangular rooms with floors of polished lime, reminiscent of Roman terrazzo floors . . . .
The monoliths are decorated with carved reliefs of animals and of abstract pictograms. The pictograms may represent commonly understood sacred symbols, as known from Neolithic cave paintings elsewhere. 

Wikipedia

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         I was hoping to gather material on the ancient legendary civilization of Mu, but Wikipedia shows evidence it could not have existed.

Mu is the name of a hypothetical continent that allegedly existed in one of Earth’s oceans, but disappeared at the dawn of human history.

Today, scientists universally dismiss the concept of Mu (and of other lost continents like Lemuria) as physically impossible, since a continent can neither sink nor be destroyed in the short period of time required by this premise. . . .  Mu is today considered to be a fictional place. . . .

The historical details and implications of the Mu theory, which from the start were even more controversial than the physical ones, have been thoroughly discredited by archaeological and genetic research.
The weight of evidence is that the civilizations of the Americas and the Old World developed independently of each other; . . .The development of the oldest known cities, . . . can more easily be attributed to local and gradual evolution than to the coming of refugees from a "superior civilization". Finally, genetic studies of the indigenous peoples of America, the Pacific Islanders, and the ancient peoples of the Old World are quite incompatible with the Mu theory.
As for Easter Island, there is no evidence of human presence in the land before 300 AD; and the pukao on the moai are typically regarded as ceremonial headdress.

Wikipedia

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I am hopeful that further human DNA evidence will force more focus on science rather than ancient UFO conjecturing.  Other civilizations go back perhaps five thousand years and some, such as Tiahuanaco for example, are already a part of the story.

It appears inconsistent to have such a negativity to ancient UFO incidences when we are going to use dialogue on the modern incidences. Why is this?

For one, these books are fiction.

And so?

People write all kinds of rubbish.

Rather arrogant on your part, old man. – Amorella.

I don’t care.

           Post. – Amorella. 



Later. I have read through Lao Tzu’s Tao-Te Ching and the quotation in The Charlemagne Pursuit is Tao 15. Here is the complete quotation:

Fifteen
The ancient masters were subtle, mysterious, profound, responsive.

The depth of their knowledge is unfathomable.

Because it is unfathomable,
 All we can do is describe their appearance.

Watchful, like men crossing a winter stream.

Alert, like men aware of danger.

Courteous, like visiting guests.

Yielding like ice about to melt.

Simple, like uncarved blocks of wood.

Hollow, like caves.

Opaque, like muddy pools.



Who can wait quietly while the mud settles?

Who can remain still until the moment of action?

Observers of the Tao do not seek fulfillment.

Not seeking fulfillment, they are not swayed by desire for change.

Tao-Te Ching
www.schrades.com/Tao/taotext.cfm?TaoID=15

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         What is resolved by the additional words to the quotation from the book?

         My contentment, Amorella.

         Post. – Amorella. 


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