0350
hours. Here we are the middle of January; the days fly by and I want a flight
simulator. Wants and needs. Google Earth is all I need for this project. It has
been a long time since I have really been excited about a 'game'. I suppose
when Nintendo 64 was new; and earlier, Atari 2400. I still have both consoles
and several of their respective games in the basement. I ended up with one of
Kim's old PCs from her early college days at Miami. She needed a PC for her
business classes in those days before the turn of the century. Boy, does that
sound like so very long ago. Amazingly long ago. Time for me to put aside a
today want and stick to my present day plan, three books for Owen and Brennan
who hopefully will have many more days and years to cover before another turn
of the century.
Mid-afternoon.
A stop at Graeter's for a treat then to McD's on King's Mills Road about a mile
north of King's Island for a diet Coke and a medium decafe. Carol is reading
the latest AARP magazine, but has her Grisham book, The Associate, ready
to delve back into at a moment's notice. Earlier this morning you conjured a
concept based on Doug's note based on an earlier article he sent you about the
universe having one galaxy that is one-fourth its size. - Amorella
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Largest Structure In Universe,
Large Quasar Group, Challenges Cosmological Principle
Posted: 01/11/2013 9:45 am
EST | Updated: 01/12/2013 5:34 pm EST
By: Mike Wall
Published: 01/11/2013 04:34
AM EST on SPACE.com
Astronomers have discovered
the largest known structure in the universe, a clump of active galactic cores
that stretches 4 billion light-years from end to end.
The structure is a large
quasar group (LQG), a collection of extremely luminous galactic nuclei powered
by supermassive central black holes. This particular group is so large that it
challenges modern cosmological theory, researchers said.
"While it is difficult
to fathom the scale of this LQG, we can say quite definitely it is the largest
structure ever seen in the entire universe," lead author Roger Clowes, of
the University of Central Lancashire in England, said in a statement.
"This is hugely exciting, not least because it runs counter to our current
understanding of the scale of the universe."
Quasars are the brightest
objects in the universe. For decades, astronomers have known that they tend to
assemble in huge groups, some of which are more than 600 million light-years
wide.
But the record-breaking
quasar group, which Clowes and his team spotted in data gathered by the Sloan
Digital Sky Survey, is on another scale altogether. The newfound LQC is
composed of 73 quasars and spans about 1.6 billion light-years in most
directions, though it is 4 billion light-years across at its widest point. To
put that mind-boggling size into perspective, the disk of the Milky Way galaxy
— home of Earth's solar system — is about 100,000 light-years wide. And the
Milky Way is separated from its nearest galactic neighbor, Andromeda, by about
2.5 million light-years.
The newly discovered LQC is
so enormous, in fact, that theory predicts it shouldn't exist, researchers
said. The quasar group appears to violate a widely accepted assumption known as
the cosmological principle, which holds that the universe is essentially
homogeneous when viewed at a sufficiently large scale.
Calculations suggest that
structures larger than about 1.2 billion light-years should not exist,
researchers said.
"Our team has been
looking at similar cases which add further weight to this challenge, and we
will be continuing to investigate these fascinating phenomena," Clowes
said.
The new study was published
today (Jan. 11) in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.
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From: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/11/largest-structure-in-universe-large-quasar-group_n_2455552.html?utm_hp_ref=email_share
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Dick, It is my opinion
that we are still like our ancestors. We observe something and because of our
humanness we must explain it so we come up with a theory like perfect spheres
with the earth at the center. Then we learn more and see more so a new theory
is proposed, the big bang. Now we even see more and will need to come up with
yet another theory. Exciting times! Yes, it is hard to grasp how one galaxy can
be 1/4 the size of the universe? Something is really wrong with our current
understanding or assumptions. Yes it is definitively a possibility that our
estimates of distance are completely wrong. Or space itself is something we do
not understand. Or the red shift is due to something else beside speed.
Doug and Nancy
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On 1/12/2013 11:05 PM,
orndorff wrote:
Doug,
;-)
Awesome in so
many ways. Incomprehensible in so many others. Thanks for sharing. What's your
theory? How can this be? Is it possible that 'size' is not real, that is, that
size does not really exist except in the human mind? Or, maybe that size is not
nearly so relative as we think? I'm not stating this correctly. Very
interesting. Curious as to how such things can be unless we are the Alices
living in Wonderland.
Dick
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Dick, It is my opinion
that we are still like our ancestors. We observe something and because of our
humanness we must explain it so we come up with a theory like perfect spheres
with the earth at the center. Then we learn more and see more so a new theory
is proposed, the big bang. Now we even see more and will need to come up with
yet another theory. Exciting times! Yes, it is hard to grasp how one galaxy can
be 1/4 the size of the universe? Something is really wrong with our current
understanding or assumptions. Yes it is definitively a possibility that our
estimates of distance are completely wrong. Or space itself is something we do
not understand. Or the red shift is due to something else beside speed.
Doug
and Nancy
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On 1/15/2013 5:21 AM,
orndorff wrote:
Doug
Was,is,will be
are similar to large and small and here and there; is each an
Earth-is-the-Center-of-the-Universe perspective? Can a perspective of Being in
the universe transform itself to a perspective of Awareness in the universe. Is
Physics compromised by such thinking? Can Consciousness effect Reason and
Science? Are Reason and Science philosophies first?
Dick
PS
- If nothing else can I legitimately (reasonably) transform the above
into a marsupial humanoid concept?
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Dick,
I know my dogs think and
remember, have all the emotions I have but I do not think they think they are
anything but dogs and do not worry about politics, religion, science, etc. They
do not seem to care about how the universe works. What property do we have that
makes us care? It must be self-awareness, as we need to understand how we fit
in. If I were a smart fish in a fish bowl could I think about quasars? I think
you are correct that being part of something will make it very difficult to
think beyond that part. It is as if the universe is discovering itself. It is
becoming self-aware. How fascinating! Thanks for your thoughts.
Doug
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Adding
to Doug's suggestion that the universe is gaining a self-consciousness through
human consciousness which is growing in awareness; you feel that a human being
is to the universe what a heartansoulanmind is to a human being. This is still
a circular argument, which to you gives the concept more credence. To you the
universe is similar to a fractal. - Amorella
1550 hours. According to Wikipedia
Offline:
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Natural phenomena with
fractal features
Approximate fractals found in nature display
self-similarity over extended, but finite, scale ranges. The connection between
fractals and leaves, for instance, is currently being used to determine how
much carbon is contained in trees.
Examples of phenomena known or anticipated to
have fractal features are listed below:
clouds; river networks;
fault lines; mountain ranges;
craters; lightning bolts;
coastlines; snow flakes;
various vegetables (cauliflower
and broccoli);
animal coloration
patterns; heart rates; heartbeat; earthquakes; snow flakes; crystals;
blood vessels and
pulmonary vessels;
ocean waves; DNA;
[and, I am adding tree
limbs/roots].
Edited from: Wikipedia Offline - fractals [and myself]
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This
is quite interesting in that the plausible theoretical focus is on the nature
of things not G---D. In the books the marsupial humanoids could have developed
a similar theory that far and away removes the old story of being created in
Godofamily's Pouch, that first One-Planet was the Pouch then Two-Planets; then ThreePlanets
was the Pouch, then the galaxy was the Pouch, then the Universe was the Pouch
but with far too many universe to count then something else altogether is the
Pouch and that still leave Godofamily far in the Beyond a created smorgasbord
of fractal-like universes with an internal self-awareness of heartansoulanmind growing
within naturally environmentally evolving beings of higher consciousness
somewhere in each galaxy. The galaxy is the 'earth' that sprouts the
heartansoulanmind tree as it were. The Merlyn Books' marsupial humanoids and
Homo sapiens are but two examples. This sounds usable to me. (1617)
1754
hours. Is any of the above going to be usable, Amorella?
2142 hours. We watched several hours of DVRed shows,
CSI-NY, Castle and NCIS-LA. We are sitting in the bedroom, Carol is on the bed
playing one of her addictive iPad 'number' games, Jadah the Short-Hair is in my
shoebox and Ellie the long hair Maine Coon is in Kim's chair sleeping in her
bedroom. A quiet night and I am tired and about ready for bed.
You cannot help but feel you were once up
close and personal with an Angel of G---D no matter how much you don't believe
it. - Amorella
I am still an agnostic.
I know you are. - Amorella
It is a very odd feeling to have been so close in a
Presence and at the same time feel G---D is much further away than a billion
fractal-like universes. It is such an expansion of imagination in which space
and no space exists both at once.
That is what you want to convey in the
story, to show in the story. - Amorella
No. I want to show there is no space and that much space
within Nature and still there is a Beyond within and beyond that point.
I can see this in my head, that is, I can accept this as a Here and There. It
may appear as space but it has solidification to it, something greater than the
gravity dancing within each universe; an ultra-physics not a metaphysics.
That's my point. (I am rambling.) I have to think out a better way to express
this. (2202)
For the Merlyn books we can place these
imaginings anthropomorphic-like in such a Nature by saying a billion, billion
fractal-like universes, the size of your own, exist in the thinnest slice of a
thighbone imaginable in the body of G---D. - Amorella
This I can understand and can easily accept.
That is good, because before you finish
these three books you will have to accept this; and it will be difficult
enough, even in a trilogy of fiction. Post. - Amorella
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