Late afternoon. You had a late lunch at
Smashburgers and Carol picked up cards at Hallmark. Rain has been on and off
most of the day. You did forty-five minutes of exercises again earlier today.
Carol feels more comfortable getting in and out of the Avalon thus you have not
been driving the Accord as usual. Quora sent something of interest to you this
morning as your mind is still on the mystery of how consciousness can be in two
places at once both physically and spiritually as the Near-Death article in
Wednesday blog suggests. You still find it odd to agree that a ‘spiritual like’
consciousness appears to be more real than everyday reality. – Amorella
1630
hours. I am back to Plato’s Allegory of the Cave concept. The physical universe
(including our bodies/brain) is full of movement on both a quantum and physical
level, at least above the temperature of Absolute Zero. Spiritual reality
appears to exist without any movement yet spiritual movement is allowed, the
human spirit can be willed to move by the force of human consciousness at least
in the Near Death article. Is thought itself the standard in both the physical
and spiritual worlds? ‘Being’ is
in both the spiritual and the physical. I am, in this case, a Platonic
existentialist. ‘Being’ is not the same as living. Earlier today I captured
this on Quora.
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From Quora:
I'm also interested in any information you have about the views
of other people who were influential in the development of QM, e.g. Max Planck,
Paul Dirac, John Stewart Bell. Not Einstein, because his views are well-known.
Greg Sunderland, Quantum physicist
Werner Heisenberg: "The discontinuous change in the wave
function takes place with the act of registration of the result by the mind of
the observer. It is this discontinuous change of our knowledge in the instant
of registration that has its image in the discontinuous change of the
probability function."
Von Neumann: "consciousness, whatever it is, appears to be
the only thing in physics that can ultimately cause this collapse or
observation."
Max Planck: "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I
regard matter as derivative from consciousness."
Erwin Schrodinger: "The only possible inference ... is, I
think, that I –I in the widest meaning of the word, that is to say, every
conscious mind that has ever said or felt 'I' -am the person, if any, controls
the 'motion of the atoms'. ...The personal self equals the omnipresent,
all-comprehending eternal self... There is only one thing, and even in that
what seems to be a plurality is merely a series of different personality
aspects of this one thing, produced by a deception."
Freeman Dyson: "At the level of single atoms and electrons,
the mind of an observer is involved in the description of events. Our
consciousness forces the molecular complexes to make choices between one
quantum state and another."
Eugene Wigner: "It is not possible to formulate the laws of
quantum mechanics in a consistent way without reference to the
consciousness."
Pascual Jordon: "Observations not only disturb what is to
be measured, they produce it."
Niels Bohr: "Everything we call real is made of things that
cannot be regarded as real. A physicist is just an atom's way of looking at itself."
Wolfgang Pauli: "We do not assume any longer the detached
observer, but one who by his indeterminable effects creates a new
situation, a new state of the observed system."
Niels Bohr: "Any observation of atomic phenomena will
involve an interaction with the agency of observation not to be neglected.
Accordingly, an independent reality in the ordinary physical sense can neither
be ascribed to the phenomena nor to the agencies of observation. After all, the
concept of observation is in so far arbitrary as it depends upon which objects
are included in the system to be observed."
John Stewart Bell: "As regards mind, I am fully convinced
that it has a central place in the ultimate nature of reality."
Martin Rees:
"The universe could only come into existence if someone observed it. It
does not matter that the observers turned up several billion years later. The
universe exists because we are aware of it."
Selected from -- http://www.quoraDOTcom/What-did-Werner-Heisenberg-and-Erwin-Schrödinger-think-about-the-role-of-consciousness-in-quantum-mechanics
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You appear to be suggesting that the
spiritual and physical planes are equal in that ‘Being/Consciousness’ exists in
both. Is this what you think? – Amorella
1645
hours. No. The spiritual is first, the spiritual is as the chicken, and the
physical is the egg.
You have returned to an internal argument
from when you joined the Presbyterian Church when you were twelve. What was the
existence into which the chicken came? – Amorella
The above shows examples of
heartansoulanmind, don’t you agree? – Amorella
1657
hours. It shows examples of induced thought. Consciousness, self-awareness, is
only one aspect of being human. I don’t agree or disagree. I feel I would have
a better idea where these Merlyn books might go if I had something basic down
pat. The irony here is that even if I were dead I might not know any more, and
perhaps less; certainly less than if I had not been born into physical existence.
Break time, orndorff. Post. – Amorella
2309
hours. I completed Pouch 9.
Add the draft and post. – Amorella
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Diplomatic Pouch 9 @ rho, draft Bk.2
While
half dressed and sitting on the edge of their king sized bed Pyl thinks on
Justin and how he is faring. I hope he and Blakey are enjoying his venture to
the dig with Friendly. Both are so slow adapting, but then I am not much
better. Here we are on a planet much like our own – a place with similar
terrains – hills and valleys and mountains but with many more rivers and
streams, fresh water lakes and larger and numerous saltwater lakes and seas. A
chime that reminds her of a soft Macy’s made-a-sale-bell interrupts. “Come in,”
she says in a normal voice.
“Yermey,
here.”
Pyl
is up and out the bedroom door. “Good morning.”
“And,
good morning to you. Thought I would stop by and see what you are up to.”
I
was enjoying the peace and quiet, she thought. “Nothing. I am in my robe
because I haven’t decided what to wear.”
“That’s
a consideration. Mind if I sit?”
“No,
of course. Would you like a cup of our hot coffee?”
He
chuckled, “Real coffee, no thanks. You ought to be rationing that.”
Pyl
sat in the chair across. “We keep our furniture out rather than in the ceiling,
walls or floors – I hope the sight is not too much clutter.”
“You humans are a charming species,’ commented Yermey with that wickedly lovable grin of his. A waspish thought popped into his head, ‘packrats’. He rubbed at his naked chin.
Pyl mirrored his grin, “Cat got your tongue?”
He
put his hand comfortably down on his lap. “No. You know, I don’t really
understand that phrase, cat got your tongue’.”
“Good
question. You were being silent, that is, your tongue wasn’t moving, so I asked
it the cat snatched it,” invented Pyl.
With
a spark of glee in his eyes, Yermey deadpanned, “What cat?” Pyl thinks. Yermey
clips, “Cat got your tongue, Pyl?”
They
both laugh in the awkwardness of the moment.
Yermey
says, “I have an old cultural story I would like to tell you.”
“I
want to hear a story about your culture today,” replies Pyl. “One that reflects
on your own personal values.”
“I
can do that. This is one of my favorites from childhood.” Their eyes meet in
the moment.
She
politely interrupts, “We are friends, Yermey. I like this.”
“Good.
We are friends.” He immediately stands rather formally to shake her hand.
Embarrassed,
she stands and gives him an innocent peck on the cheek as if she were young and
giving a surprise kiss to her Grandfather Taylor who, in the moment, she
remembers with great affection.
They sit back in their chairs and warmly relax in each other’s company.
Yermey begins. “We are on a Raft continually rocked back and forth in a
very gentle manner, this is what the children imagine as they sit rocking back
and forth in a group. The teacher then says, ‘the Raft you sit or stand on
demands to be Balanced."
He smiles, “Imagine you are a child standing and balancing yourself on a
teeter-totter in the school yard.”
She shakes her head. “I have done that with great glee when a child.”
She wanted to add, ‘I conquered my fear,’ but did not.
“We were told we were balancing Salt and Pepper, the main spices in
life. Later, when we were older, we were told that too much spice was not good
and too little was not good either. We had to learn to balance ourselves every
day of our lives. If we did not, we would fall.”
“Fall from Grace?” questioned Pyl unthinkingly.
“Ultimately,” replies Yermey calmly, “but that comes when we are older
in adolescents when we can better appreciate how to lead our individual lives in
relationship with others who have learned to survive Grace.”
“Survive Grace? I don’t understand.”
When we are sixteen we are considered personally responsible for
ourselves and we are each given two identical pills. One will kill you quickly
and the other will make you terribly and painfully ill.”
“How awful.”
“The responsibility is real.”
“I don’t understand.”
“We each know our friends and adults have two pills. We quickly learn to
help protect each other from ourselves by being sincere and honest with one
another.”
“This is so strange to consider. Why give a child of sixteen the ability
to kill her or himself?
“So she or he will have reason to mature in a more balanced personal
life.”
Pyl is surprised by Yermey’s open sincerity. He has the pills she
thinks. “May I see these pills?”
“Of course.” He pulls out a small tube and slides the tube open. “See.
Two pills, side by side.”
He gives her eyes a close inspection. “I took one once.”
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