Last night you said that you do not feel human beings are capable of
innocence but this morning you want to amend that by adding that within context
of the future (time) humans are innocent of what the future will bring whether it's in moments or eons. -
Amorella
0956 hours. Yes, that is my addition, and by innocence I am not making
reference to the biblical original sin because I cannot imagine our evolving
into what we naturally are as a species a sin.
1020 hours. I will have to define both words.
Later. - Amorella
Busy day. You had one
appointment this morning by a former student who graduated from Mason at the
time this house was built. You have three more showing appointments this
afternoon and evening. - Amorella
1305 hours. The online showing by Susie G. is really well done. No sense
getting hopes up though -- give it a week or so. I think it will probably sell
eventually. Let's get back to innocence and original sin.
You need to define innocence first, not just
the dictionary definition but your own personal definition also. - Amorella
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innocence - noun - the
state, quality, or fact of being innocent of a crime or offense: they must
prove their innocence.
• lack of guile or corruption; purity: the
healthy bloom in her cheeks gave her an aura of innocence.
• euphemistic used
euphemistically to refer to a person's virginity: they'd avenge
assaults on her innocence by others.
PHRASES in all
innocence without knowledge of something's significance or possible consequences: she
knew the gift had been chosen in all innocence.
ORIGIN Middle
English: from Old French, from Latin innocentia,
from innocent- ‘not harming’ (based on nocere ‘injure’).
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The points important above:
purity and without knowledge of possible consequences, i.e. having no intent to
harm. Now go to Wikipedia. - Amorella
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Innocence
From Wikipedia, the free
encyclopedia
Innocence is a lack of guilt, with respect to any kind of crime,
or wrongdoing. In a legal context, innocence is to the lack of legal guilt of
an individual, with respect to a crime. In other contexts, it is a lack of
experience.
In relation to knowledge
Innocence
can imply lesser experience in
either a relative view to social peers, or by an absolute comparison to a more
common normative scale. In contrast to ignorance, it is generally viewed as a
positive term, connoting an optimistic view of the world, in particular one
where the lack of knowledge stems from a lack of wrongdoing, whereas greater
knowledge comes from doing wrong. This connotation may be connected with a
popular false etymology explaining "innocent" as
meaning "not knowing" (Latin noscere (To know, learn)). The actual
etymology is from general negation prefix in- and the Latin nocere, "to harm".
People who
lack the mental capacity to understand the nature of their acts may be regarded
as innocent regardless of their behavior. From this meaning comes the usage of innocent as a noun to refer to a child under
the age of reason,
or a person, of any age, who is severely mentally
disabled.
Nonetheless, the word, innocence, is used
to describe childhood innocence as a notion created and controlled by adults.
As Jean-Jacques Rousseau describes 'childhood as a time of innocence' where
children are 'not-knowing' and must reach the age of reason to become competent
people in society.
However, this is not the case anymore as
technology advances, this has given children in the contemporary world a
platform where they are referred to as 'digital natives', where they are seen
more knowledgeable than adults. Furthermore,
because of digital media and internet, young people have become well-informed
of the world around and have a better understanding.
Pejorative meaning
In some
cases, the term "innocence" has a pejorative meaning,
where an assumed level of experience dictates common discourse or baseline
qualifications for entry into another, different, social experience. Since
experience is a prime factor in determining a person's point of view,
innocence is often also used to imply naiveté or lack of personal experience.
Symbolism
The lamb is
a commonly used symbol of innocence's nature. In Christianity, for example, Jesus is referred to as the "Lamb of
God", thus emphasizing his sinless nature.
Other symbols of innocence include children, virgins, acacia branches (especially in Freemasonry), non-sexual nudity,
songbirds and the color white (biblical paintings and Hollywood
films depict Jesus wearing a white tunic).
Loss of innocence
A "loss
of innocence" is a common theme in fiction, pop culture, and realism. It is often seen as an integral part
of coming of age.
It is usually thought of as an experience
or period in a person's life that leads to a greater awareness of evil, pain
and/or suffering in the world around them.
Examples of this theme include songs like "American Pie",
poetry like William Blake's collection Songs of
Innocence and of Experience and
novels like To Kill a
Mockingbird, The Catcher in
the Rye, A Farewell to
Arms, and Lord of the Flies.
By contrast
the I
Ching urges a
recovery of innocence - the name given to Hexagram 25 - and "encourages
you to actively practice
innocence".
Innocence
could also be viewed as a Westernized view of childhood, and the
"loss" of innocence is simply a social construction, or viewed as
dominant ideology.
Thinkers such as Jean-Jaques Rousseau used
the romanticism discourse as a way to separate children from adults. Ideas
surrounding childhood and childhood innocence stems from this discourse. It was
during the 19th century when childhood became synonymous with
"innocence", however not all children were considered to be innocent
during that time, as it was highly dependent on the colour of one's skin. The
term innocence being connected to "white childhood" was a way to
racialize childhood and exclude the non-whites not only from
"innocence" but from childhood as well.
In psychoanalysis
The psychoanalytic tradition is broadly divided between
those (like Fairbairn and Winnicott) who saw the child as initially
innocent, but liable to lose its innocence under the impact of stress or psychological
trauma; and those (like Freud and Klein) who see the child as developing innocence - maturing into it - as a
result of surmounting the Oedipus complex and/or the depressive position.
More
eclectically, Eric Berne saw
the Child ego state, and its vocabulary, as reflecting three different
possibilities: the cliches of conformity; the obscenities of revolt; and
"the sweet phrases of charming innocence".
In a rather different formulation, Christopher
Bollas used the term
'Violent Innocence' to describe a fixed and obdurate refusal to acknowledge the
existence of an alternative viewpoint - something akin to what he calls
"the fascist construction, the outcome is to empty the mind of all
opposition".
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This article/definition shows a 'coming of
age' theme and concludes innocence exists until it is lost or that innocence
continues without a fully conscious sense of the reality in a situation of
evil, pain and/or suffering, i.e. without empathy. - Amorella
1401 hours. This is interesting, I like how you provide a summary of
what is in the important context to me. As you are 'showing' me what I already
unconsciously understand, this is not a reinforcement or an endorsement of a
concept (at least I don't feel it is).
With a showing in progress you are at
McDonalds and had a light late lunch (Carol with an egg McMuffin and you with
an oatmeal and drinks). Later, with other showings, you are having dinner at
Longhorn. Carol is reading The Enquirer before resuming with her book.
You are about to summarize 'Innocence' as you personally define it.
1522
hours. 'Innocence is having purity with no knowledge of plausible harm to another,
and this innocence exists as long as there is no fully conscious sense of evil
or inflicting probable pain or suffering to another.' This appears reasonable
to me.
You are still at the McDonalds', Carol is
still reading the paper. You have been interrupted by your realtor several
times -- all good signs people are interested. So far you have four more
showing tomorrow; one from Dayton. Let's defining 'original sin'. - Amorella
1558 hours. I think I don't really remember what original sin is in
definition form. I always think of it contextually. I assume this is going to
be theological. The quotation below is from "Different Branches of
Philosophy" by Austin Cline.
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Philosophy of Religion
Sometimes
confused with theology, the Philosophy of
Religion is the philosophical study of religious beliefs, religious doctrines,
religious arguments and religious history. The line between
theology and the philosophy of religion isn't always sharp because they share
so much in common, but the primary difference is that theology tends to be
apologetical in nature, committed to the defense of particular religious
positions, whereas Philosophy of Religion is committed to the
investigation of religion itself rather than the truth of any particular
religion.
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and edited from - www.thoughtco.com/austin-cline
"The Different Branches of
Philosophy"
[The
bold above is specific to the context of definition below.]
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Dictionary
- original sin - noun
CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY [belief]
1. The tendency to sin innate in all human beings, held to be
inherited from Adam in consequence of the Fall. The concept of original sin was
developed in the writings of St. Augustine.
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from online dictionary
You have been working on cleaning up the Wikipedia article on original sin but it's late and you're tired. Post. - Amorella
2204 hours. It's a fun read and interesting. I'll finish it tomorrow.
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